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it's a movie that poses a lot of deep

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big-picture kind of questions the kind

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opportunity in this rare solo show to

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tee up four questions that are driving

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gonna get to those questions in a minute

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and I'm really hoping that you will give

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me some feedback on what you're thinking

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about these I have some clips to go

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interesting but before I get to those

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about someone who I greatly admire in

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respect the podcaster miguel connor from

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the very excellent a on bite gnostic

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radio here's a clip from the video

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interview with miguel and deeper we go

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my beloved true seekers deeper into the

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wastelands of mater and graveyards of

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broken dreams please allow me to

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introduce myself

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and keep you company no need Miguel I

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can do that this clip you just heard is

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from a video that I've produced and just

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AM releasing today on YouTube I'm a

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it out and it has some real flaws to it

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and the project was supposed to be a

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much grander project where I would bring

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truth and reality and Miguel certainly

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fits that category and he's one of the

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first ones I started with so let me play

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and very little else and you can connect

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with scholars in Oxford you can connect

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bring them into your room and then you

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can spread that information out what I

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like about Gnosticism is that you can

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take it as psychologically spiritually

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or materially I mean you don't have to

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believe that there's these giant archons

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Archon can be the boss at your job write

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and for my life I've got my myth that

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I'm trying to live and my gospel Karl

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mythologies that reside deep within our

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unconscious when we bring those out we

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narrative of our life changing our

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personas changing how things go and I

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people to know I want people to have as

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much information as they can so they can

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Gosselin live their own myth so they

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could as I say in my show create better

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than the Creator gods and they're but

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slaves in the establishment because all

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ancient Gnostics who said enough of this

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we're gonna write our own narrative

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me but I throw that out there and offer

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it to you to help guide if there's

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anything there I need to pursue and

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journey shared with you but that's

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really a collective journey your input

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decide where it goes so if you'll allow

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me offer up this clip I mean for me it

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would be what what's consciousness

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consciousness at all to that I've gotta

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stupidest idea ever conceived by human

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does not exist and it may not be there I

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face contradiction and the fact that

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something like this is not only

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seriously entertained but even

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is a worrying sign of cultural sickness

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meaningless universe as you know from

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listening to this show that really isn't

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the question for me anymore I mean it

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years back but now the question for me

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which is how can this still be propped

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supposed to be the intellectual elites

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of science it's really a strange strange

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proving him wrong baby proving him wrong

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fear and worry and you know anxiety and

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stuff like that but it do it no matter

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who you are no matter how great your

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life is you still have the sense that

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psychology would consider normal and

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psychological state to be this

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experience of fundamental discontentment

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meaningless universe so the answer is

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fundamental dissatisfaction with the way

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the first scientific survey of folks who

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hypothesis that these experiences might

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this transcending of time and space so

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reality and OBE reality and ET reality

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stay with three-letter acronyms what is

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our relationship between this reality

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and that reality and more importantly if

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that other reality if one of its key

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characteristics is that it transcends

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space and time then what does it tell us

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about this reality that is confined to

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space and time and does it suggest as I

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think it might that this reality is a

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lesser reality if you will

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lesser in the sense that it's further

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away from the ultimate reality and again

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don't pick on my words here because

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there's no words to talk about this

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stuff but the basic concept is there

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seems to be a lot of evidence pointing

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us to the ultimate paradigm shift that

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we really are looking at things from the

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wrong end of the telescope we are in the

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unreal reality of time and space

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continuum where things have been locked

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down to work a particular way so we get

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this particular experience but anyone

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who's outside of that says yeah you guys

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are on this little tiny tip of this huge

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iceberg and that's okay you can get that

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experience but don't get too attached to

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it because it's really such a small part

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of the overall thing so that is I think

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the third question for me is what is the

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relationship between this space-time

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reality that we occupy and we play this

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science game in and we play this

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skeptical dialogue questioning game in

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what is it relationship between that

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reality and some of these extended

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realities that we will never know but we

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do get bits and pieces fragments of

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information back from so we do get

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information back from into II science we

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do get information back from et contact

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we do get information back from OBE so

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I'm asking you know what happens if we

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filter that information through one very

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narrow filter and that is what is the

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relationship between our reality and the

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larger reality that'd be kind of

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third question and the fourth question

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is very much related to that and I think

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it's best teed up by this clip for my

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friend Gordon white at groom soup from

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an interview that I did recently but I

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have to say I didn't I noticed that I

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hadn't posted it on YouTube so there is

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a YouTube for this as well and it

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actually has a video of me in court and

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so it's a good YouTube to watch it you

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can kind of follow along kind of thing

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so here is that clip here's the thing

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the 20th century technocratic project

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and you include all the people in it

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like béarnaise so the technocracy

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thought it fell to these rich people to

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manage the development of the world and

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the West for our benefit so it isn't

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even just necessarily keeping them alone

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and afraid that is a side effect of well

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we are the Technic rights we are better

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at running the world so our competing

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narratives are here in the church and

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here in the family and so on and what we

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actually want because we're all the

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doctors where are the educators we're

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all are this kind of stuff you need to

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get it from us and we will manage the

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society and you will eat the right food

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and the population will grow or not at

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the rate that we determine the economy

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will work this is the demonic goal so

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it's funny that's where I wanted to

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start there on a human level that's the

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kind of 20th century idea I think

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they're shooting for it is demonic like

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if you want to go to a higher level when

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you're talking about what are the kind

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of metaphysical implications I have no

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idea if any of these people realize they

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are being written by demons but

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nevertheless the goal of this kind of

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project is it is in some literal sense

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atactic so there's a lot there to pull

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apart and the demonic part is gonna

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rattle a lot of folks I'm sure but it is

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kind of interesting how this clip brings

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us back full circle in a way so if the

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opening question was not are we

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biological robots in a meaningless

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universe but how does such a ridiculous

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meme remain intellectually viable I

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think Gordon is kind of trying to answer

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that question and saying hey man that's

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the program that's the demonic game but

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I broadened it a little bit and say the

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question for me is why

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is the role of deception in this process

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and I like all of us am reluctant in

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some ways to go there because I'm not

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sure it's the right question but we keep

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bumping into that reality that Gnostic

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reality that I will create better than

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the Creator gods because the Creator

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gods are really making a mess of things

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so there's so many layers to that

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because as appealing as that Gnostic

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sensibility is it doesn't really give us

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any hope of transcending outside of this

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little street fight I mean certainly not

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in the way that we talked about when we

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talked about for example the recent

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interview I just did with Davidson

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fellow about NDE experiences and the

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potential that maybe exists for

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something that truly does transcend that

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back alley brawl between the creator

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gods and those of us who want to create

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better than them so bringing that back

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to the question is what is the role of

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deception in all of this why is there

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deception why is there evil as we've

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talked about many times on this show and

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I think this question as I'm stating it

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here for me gets to the deeper question

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of the nature of this evil because it's

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one thing to say that there's evil in

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the world and that's an evildoer as our

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ex-president from many years ago George

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Bush said and again I'm trying to bring

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it to more of a personal journey of who

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are we why are we here why are we

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clearly being deceived at various points

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in this process what is the purpose of

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that who does that serve and why does

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that seem to be so much a part of the

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process and tricksters and all the rest

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of that almost at every turn so there's

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four questions for you there are four

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questions for me I should say because as

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I said those are the four questions that

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are on my mind and our for the most part

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driving my thoughts and ideas in terms

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of who I'm talking to right now and who

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I want to talk to

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doesn't always of course a perfect fit

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because sometimes somebody pops up and I

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want to talk to them and they come on

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the show but I do feel good cheering

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with you these ideas in these directions

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and I'm certainly open to feedback and

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thoughts and ideas and discussion about

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these four questions and maybe you have

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an answer maybe you can provide a

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shortcut to my learning here which

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you've done many times in the past and

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I'd be totally open to again so if you

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do have any thoughts along those lines

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please join me skeptical forum is always

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a good place or you can email me you can

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find the links to all that stuff at the

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skeptic Oh website SK EPT Iko com where

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you can also find links to over 400

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so that's about it for this solo show a

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unique one I really don't plan on doing

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many of these but there was an open spot

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in the calendar and it really turned out

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be I think a fun opportunity for me to

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engage with you about this issue of

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direction and what's on my mind along

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those lines so thanks as always for

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being there and staying with me and

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until next time take care and bye for

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